"When does grief get easier?" — it's the question every man asks after losing his dad. 💔

Dave Genn got the honest answer from guys who'd already been through it: the hurt doesn't dull, and it doesn't get less painful. But it stops being all day, every day. That's what actually happens.

We're Roger and Scott — two guys whose dads are dead, here to normalize the stuff nobody says out loud. Losing your dad sucks, but talking about it doesn't have to.

IN THIS EPISODE, WE TALK ABOUT
→ Why Dave says "when you see your father pass, you're next"
→ How his dad mourned the end of his creative life before he died
→ The moment Dave rewrote "Crossing a Canyon" from major to minor — because the original
didn't feel right after his dad died
→ The album that came out of that grief (La Difference)
→ A dream where his dad said "everything's gonna be okay"
→ Why grief doesn't get less painful — it just stops being all day, every day
→ Losing his mom four years later, and the apathy that followed
→ Being an atheist when the people you love die
→ Why mortality is the great leveler

This is a raw, honest, and genuinely funny conversation about losing your dad — and finding out how much he's still with you.

🎸 Dave Genn is the lead guitarist of 54-40, a Canadian rock band that's been together for over 40 years. His father, Robert Genn, was one of Canada's most beloved painters and creator of The Painter's Keys — a newsletter read by over 60,000 artists worldwide.

CHAPTERS
00:00 When Dad Passes You're Next
01:37 Meet Dave Genn
02:02 Who Robert Genn Was
03:44 Advice Dreams and Songs
05:25 Pancreatic Cancer Diagnosis
06:37 Final Months at Home
09:23 Turning Grief Into Art
11:27 Aftermath Work and Logistics
13:09 Legacy Paintings and Mortality
15:47 Counting the Years
16:37 Bandmates and Loss
18:08 Work as Coping
19:25 Crossing a Canyon (and La Difference)
22:33 Collaboration and Support
24:13 Grief Over Time
27:56 Advice for the Moment
28:34 Nihilism and Apathy
30:14 The Great Leveler
32:03 Atheism and Afterlife
33:19 Closing and Resources

Dead Dads Podcast is a grief support space for men who've lost their dads.
Dark jokes. Honest conversations. Losing your dad sucks, but talking about it doesn't have to.

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